tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post643065538685569419..comments2024-01-25T10:14:06.567-08:00Comments on L.A. Crossword Confidential: T H U R S D A Y September 30, 2010 David PooleOrangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12433254398377357737noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-3806622831412170152010-10-01T06:50:47.061-07:002010-10-01T06:50:47.061-07:00@PG - I started at 3:40, but he was so funny, I ha...@PG - I started at 3:40, but he was so funny, I had to go back and watch the whole thing!! <br /><br />Gobble gobble!hazelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04627015904603641109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-53192484521880555352010-09-30T19:40:30.723-07:002010-09-30T19:40:30.723-07:00@Sfingi: "Sicarii" derives from "si...@Sfingi: "Sicarii" derives from "sica", Latin for "dagger". Wikipedia says: <i>In [modern] Spanish the word 'sicario' is used to refer to both killers who have specific targets and underling hitmen. In Italian, it means "hired killer, hired assassin, cutthroat".</i><br /><br />I don't know whether there's a connection to Sicilian "Zicari" with the meaning you give. I can construct an argument for a link, but it's an uninformed one, and thus pretty meaningless :-)Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-64294018515593403752010-09-30T17:53:27.635-07:002010-09-30T17:53:27.635-07:00@hazel: I knew exactly what you meant about the Pe...@hazel: I knew exactly what you meant about the Penguin! I'm sure Jon Stewart does it too, but I always think of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P52bmJXYQPQ" rel="nofollow">Frank Caliendo</a> (relevant part starts around 3:40).<br /><br />@joon: I didn't notice the alliteration. But I actually haven't noticed much this week. :-) I agree with you about "The Giving Tree" but the other problem I have with it is that people think it's <i>sweet.</i><br /><br />@KJGooster: Welcome back to the future! I'm about four months behind on my BEQ puzzles, so I know how you felt!<br /><br />@anon3:04: Thanks for coming out of lurkdom. Please join us anytime!PuzzleGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06835502266781516627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-2459375804846262462010-09-30T17:38:31.276-07:002010-09-30T17:38:31.276-07:00@KjGooster - I have the same reading (seeing?) pro...@KjGooster - I have the same reading (seeing?) problems you do. I have a box of magnifying glasses.<br /><br />@Anon304 - I think you're right. I remember liking the new Thomas Crown Affair, and not expecting to. <br /><br />@Tuttle - in linguistics we learn there is a Soda/Coke line passing somewhere around Rochester, NY. I'm on the coke side.<br /><br />@Eric - speaking of the Sicarii, Hubster said that Zicari, a Sicilian name, roughly translates as dirty, filthy.Sfingihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06903616949048940858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-70725925276341471132010-09-30T17:31:57.200-07:002010-09-30T17:31:57.200-07:00@Sfingi: Yah, I need to rewatch Life of Brian. I ...@Sfingi: Yah, I need to rewatch Life of Brian. I haven't seen it since it first came out. I didn't think it lived up to Holy Grail; but then, I was a kid, and knew only the barest outlines of the Jesus story. Now, having read about the period, I'm sure I'd get a lot more of its humour. I saw Not the Messiah a few years ago -- that's Eric Idle and John Du Prez's comedic oratorio based on Brian -- and it was a total hoot.<br /><br />For a serious modern analogy, consider Iraq or Afghanistan, this past decade. I imagine that's pretty much how the Romans saw their Judean colony. As for the smiting they ultimately gave the place, imagine some hypothetical President, or Prime Minister, or Chairman ÜberCheney finally snarling "Enough!" and dropping a nuke on Kabul. Of course that would make whichever country did it an instant pariah state, and probably start WW-III.<br /><br />But when the Romans did the moral equivalent, the geopolitical consequences were pretty much nil. Nobody could have stood up to them, and nobody much cared about that Eastern-Mediterranean backwater anyway. The Christians hadn't yet come into their power, Islam hadn't been invented yet, and the Jews, well, they'd done what they could do, and were reaping the bitter reward.Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-53385060959087107452010-09-30T15:04:36.820-07:002010-09-30T15:04:36.820-07:00On the topic of remakes.....Not many are worth the...On the topic of remakes.....Not many are worth their weight in celluloid, but there is one that probably rises above the rest (IMO):<br /><br />"The Thomas Crown Affair"<br /><br />(Long time lurker, first time poster)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-64187757121006883062010-09-30T14:02:12.644-07:002010-09-30T14:02:12.644-07:00Haven't commented in a long time -- I've b...Haven't commented in a long time -- I've been running about a month behind for about 4 months and finally caught up. Liked this one today though. All the theme answers are "in the language," as Rex would say, with the possible exception of KITETAILS, which while legit doesn't seem as common as the others.<br /><br />My 4-year old train-loving twins can't get enough of "Down by the Station," (set to the tune of "Alouette") so that's in my head far too often.<br /><br />I read 9D: "Bum" as "Burn" so I could NOT see it for a long time, esp. since I did not know LINA Wertmuller.<br /><br />It also took too long to parse TORE AT (TOREAT? TO REAT? TOR EAT?) even though I knew the crosses were correct.KJGoosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05035128999739297677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-64228308996467660512010-09-30T13:30:41.443-07:002010-09-30T13:30:41.443-07:00Much like Debby Harry's love, this puzzle soon...Much like Debby Harry's love, this puzzle soon turned out to be a pain in the ass.<br /><br />"Bouillabaisse base" is not a good clue despite the clever alliteration. The base for a bouillabaisse is a fish-stock not a fish-broth since it is made using the bones of the fish as well as the flesh. Granted, this is an arguable point if you're outside of the United States (the English have it the other way around).<br /><br />In my neck of the woods SODA is non-caffeinated. And yes, when I go out to buy Dr. Peppers I say I'm going out for some Cokes.<br /><br />I usual shorten hinder into hiney not HEINIE. That's a rubbish beer from Germany or a nickname for some dude named Heinrich.Tuttlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-8311663311150152642010-09-30T13:07:30.059-07:002010-09-30T13:07:30.059-07:00@Eric - thanx for all the info. I never saw either...@Eric - thanx for all the info. I never saw either of those movies. Vincent Price did hit some lows.<br />The open air temple wouldn't work in Upstate NY - climate, you know. <br />The politics of Jesus' time reminds me of Monty Python's Life of Brian. I'm also wondering about people I know named Zicari. <br />There've been so many genetic discoveries these days. I went back and read about the Kohani and Lemba, and yes it's a branch of Levi. <br />I can't wait 'til they isolate the Neandertal. I think I have it, just cuz it takes me so much longer to feel the cold than most (but maybe it's because I'm a harp seal).Sfingihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06903616949048940858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-5193803015737886332010-09-30T13:03:34.986-07:002010-09-30T13:03:34.986-07:00I am a red-headed Jew from Pennsylvania. I am an A...I am a red-headed Jew from Pennsylvania. I am an Aquarius. I am 5'5". I had the same problems with the TERENCE clue.<br /><br />Falcoln Crest is a bird brow, Dove soap a bird bar, and the Flamingo Kid was a bird boy.SethGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13753036404140901368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-48882042489796035102010-09-30T12:43:43.816-07:002010-09-30T12:43:43.816-07:00@Sfingi: I couldn't list the Twelve Tribes, bu...@Sfingi: I couldn't list the Twelve Tribes, but thanks to listening, a lot, to <i>Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat</i> back in the 70s, I could probably get any of them from crosses, as I did today with ASHER. (Trivia: Peter Asher was half of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_lJPUKTchI" rel="nofollow">Peter and Gordon</a>.)<br /><br />According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohen" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>, the Kohens are those who claim direct descent from the biblical Aaron (Moses's brother) -- so, to your question, I'm guessing they're a subgroup within the Levites (who, according to Wikipedia, were Moses's tribe). The Kohanim had specific duties related to animal sacrifice at the Temple in ancient times; but, with the destruction of the Temple by the Romans (the famous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada" rel="nofollow">Masada</a> siege a couple of years later was the last, doomed stand in that war), the entire form of religious practice that depended on the Temple was swept away, to be replaced by the Rabbinical Judaism that survives to this day. The Kohens still have special duties/privileges in more conservative streams of Judaism, but the role of "priest" per se is long gone.<br /><br />For those more familiar with the Christian version of the story, here are a couple of signposts into the Jewish version. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_in_Jerusalem" rel="nofollow">Temple</a> referred to above is the one where Jesus had his altercation with the money-changers, 40 years or so before the Romans destroyed it. Here's a <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Jerusalem_Modell_BW_2.JPG" rel="nofollow">reconstructed model</a> of what it might have looked like in Jesus's day. (More specifically, this is the Second Temple; the first is the one that the Old Testament says was built by Solomon and destroyed by the Babylonians.) The originators of what came to be Rabbinical Judaism were the Pharisees; they get a bum rap in the New Testament, but Jews see them in a much more positive light. I deduce, (but haven't researched it, so don't quote me!), that the NT's "chief priests" were the leaders of the Kohanim. Here's a wonderfully impartial <a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Who+were+the+Pharisees,+Sadducees,+scribes,+chief+priests,+and+elders%3F-a0200116276" rel="nofollow">brief introduction</a> I just found, to the various groups that Jesus ran up against.<br /><br />Basically, the whole place, in those years, was a nest of competing sects and factions. Some of these cooperated with the Roman occupiers, and some were opposed. Some were religiously conservative (priests, scribes, Sadduccees), and some more "out there" (Pharisees, Essenes, Jesus and his followers). One of the most violent rebel groups were known as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii" rel="nofollow">Sicarii</a>, or "daggermen", for their violent methods, which we would now call "terrorist". Judas Iscariot might have been a member; one interpretation of his name is that it's a mistranscription of "Sicariote", "one of the Sicarii".<br /><br />Some (but only some) of these groups believed that The End Was Nigh. In an earthly sense they were right. The end of the Jewish world <i>as they knew it</i> came with a trio of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-Roman_Wars" rel="nofollow">failed revolts against the Romans</a>, and the Romans' resulting demolishment of just about everything Jewish in order to prevent further trouble. It was the first of these revolts, in 66-70 CE, that saw the Second Temple destroyed and Masada besieged. (I don't believe this was antisemitism as we now know it; it was simply the Romans being their brutally pragmatic selves when it came to governing trouble spots in their far-flung empire. They didn't trash the Jews because they were Jews, but because they were rebels.)Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-136305907540459792010-09-30T11:10:51.916-07:002010-09-30T11:10:51.916-07:00The top took a while, but the bottom wasn't a ...The top took a while, but the bottom wasn't a problem, and then the top fell into place -- largely because I got KITE TAILS and EAGLE SCOUTS first of the theme answers, which gave me the rest, i.e. lots of crosses.<br /><br />From crosses, I wanted "Miss's equal?" to be MLLE. Had no idea how MILE could possibly make sense; thanks @PG for the explanation. I'd never heard that ADAGE, only the equivalent "Close only counts in horseshoes".<br /><br />For "Afternoon services", I was looking for the afternoon office of the Canonical Hours (matins, lauds, and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVBb8KD0M5k" rel="nofollow">vespers</a> are some other offices). Turns out the mid-afternoon office is "none" (rhymes with "bone") -- which doesn't even begin to fit.<br /><br />For "Blue state", my first thought was to list the Democratic-leaning ones. And I can't even vote in your elections; sheesh!<br /><br />I read the clue for 9D as "Burn", and so was totally, erm, clueless; it was only once I had some crosses that I realized the "rn" was really an "m". Darned over-kerned font!<br />@Tinbeni: Well, you wondered yesterday which body part we'd get today. Now we know. Tomorrow...?<br /><br />@Sfingi re. remakes: Yah, "I am Legend". The original is a really bad Vincent Price movie from 1964 called "The Last Man on Earth". Not even so-bad-it's-good; just bad. That said, the Price version did capture the moral ambiguity that (I presume) was in the original novel. "I am Legend" started to go there, but then CHICKENed out, and blew the moral questions away in a typical Hollywood blaze of glory :-/<br /><br />SPOILER ALERT (Lord of the Rings):<br /><br />@PG: The ENTs were good guys! They came in on the right side of one of the important battles (against Saruman). Very slow to rouse to action, but once they had decided to act, they were a force to be reckoned with -- both pretty much as one would expect of tree creatures.Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-3352692059142025802010-09-30T10:57:33.288-07:002010-09-30T10:57:33.288-07:00Cute theme - love those birdies!
Made one mistake...Cute theme - love those birdies!<br /><br />Made one mistake: thought the Johnny Depp title role was BRiSCO and iSHER sounded OK for the tribe. <br /><br />Picture of (or anything else about) Dick Cheney does not pass my breakfast test. <br /><br />First thought of "Frere Jacques" before "Alouette" but realized it wasn't going to fit no matter how I spelled it. I kinda forgot that I knew these two songs in French. Will try to keep them in mind as possible aids in CW solving!shrub5https://www.blogger.com/profile/09466867716773759568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-32714988730586110302010-09-30T10:29:19.865-07:002010-09-30T10:29:19.865-07:00@Tin and Hazel, yep, I "missed" the refe...@Tin and Hazel, yep, I "missed" the reference! I do watch Jon Stewart,(mostly in sleepy mode) but it's been a while since he referenced our ex-VP, AKA "The Shootist..." Hehehe! Might have to board the Huffington bus to D.C., for the "Rally to Restore Sanity"....or I can get on Cheney's bus with Colbert and "Keep Fear Alive."ddbmcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-82642730745301363652010-09-30T09:53:14.850-07:002010-09-30T09:53:14.850-07:00@Hazel
I thought your penguin joke was spot-on. Yo...@Hazel<br />I thought your penguin joke was spot-on. You even cited your reference, Jon Stewart.<br /><br />Just because others (apparently) don't watch The Daily Show (great source for the real poop on the political scene) that's their problem ... not yours.<br /><br /><br />captcha: HaCro, laughs that stick?Tinbenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661395078047234853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-10234870591737171842010-09-30T09:51:27.553-07:002010-09-30T09:51:27.553-07:00@Joon
re: the giving tree
I totally agree with you...@Joon<br />re: the giving tree<br />I totally agree with you about the poor role models.<br />Sadly, our society is getting more and more like that... with all the handouts and expectations.JOHNSNEVERHOMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13447455788629988277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-63612801751454744172010-09-30T09:44:42.913-07:002010-09-30T09:44:42.913-07:00@ddbmc & JNH - thanks for trying to educate me...@ddbmc & JNH - thanks for trying to educate me!, but I'm aware of who that pictures is of....<br /><br />Jon Stewart used to do a little impression of him where he made this laugh like the Penguin - he maybe even specifically called him that? - so that's what I was referring to. <br /><br />Just a joke to myself - looks like that's where it should have stayed!! <;}hazelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04627015904603641109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-78058583853703278252010-09-30T09:22:22.819-07:002010-09-30T09:22:22.819-07:00Phrase most heard at our Parent-Teacher Conference...Phrase most heard at our Parent-Teacher Conferences:<br />"He's not learning up to his potential".<br />I hope you have a more pleasant meeting.JOHNSNEVERHOMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13447455788629988277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-92121492048667673622010-09-30T09:13:14.452-07:002010-09-30T09:13:14.452-07:00@Sfingi
I agree, the ELOI were not Morlock haters ...@Sfingi<br />I agree, the ELOI were not Morlock haters ... hell, they were so brain-dead they didn't realize they were the inspiration for the movie Soylent Green.<br /><br />I just asked Gal-Pal if there were "any remakes that are better than the original" ... and she just smiled.Tinbenihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14661395078047234853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-28708073995656466542010-09-30T09:04:45.211-07:002010-09-30T09:04:45.211-07:00@PG
Glad you had a good first day on the new job, ...@PG<br />Glad you had a good first day on the new job, albeit exhausting it always feels good to feel useful.<br />I say AMEN! to that PSA given by our President Obama.<br /><br />I'm a little late today because it's a gorgeous day today and so I went for a nice long walk.<br /><br />Another LAT goodie!<br />For an ornithologist (I graduate in Nov.), I found this to be a very entertaining pun-theme puzzle. And David managed to use a lot of original "sauce" (fill words).<br /><br />My only (minor) complaint was seeing "Cardinal" in the 41A clue as well as in CARDINAL SIN.<br /><br />LINA/NANA was a natick for me as I never heard of Director LINA or the Zola novel NANA, so in SADNESS, I had to declare this a DNF, even though I got everything else correct. <br /><br />ASHER: Now, as @PG mentioned, we not only need to memorize all the Jewish months, but all the twelve tribes as well.<br /><br />WOTD: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M3sxU27Bqg" rel="nofollow">ALOUETTE... now I'll be singing that cute song all day long.</a> Very appropo for today's theme.<br /><br />Most clever clue of the month: "Blue state" (SADNESS).<br /><br />@Hazel<br />I don't think that pic that @PG put up for SNEER is the Penguin, I think it's our former Vice President... he had a reputation for being SNEERY.<br /><br />I just planted several varieties of <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/37738527@N06/3475452488/" rel="nofollow">ASTERS in my garden (and there are zillions of varieties)...</a> I love those perky little fall flowers.<br /><br />Speaking of garden, I better get going... got lot's of gardening to do today!<br /><br />Have a super duper day, y'all.JOHNSNEVERHOMEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13447455788629988277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-64688022923188159742010-09-30T08:57:57.057-07:002010-09-30T08:57:57.057-07:00Rather nice puzzle. Took me a while, but no Googli...Rather nice puzzle. Took me a while, but no Googling. I think it was a unique idea?<br /><br />Thanx for not making us listen to Cuz Cheney (he's Obama's Cuz, too). He has no heartbeat, you know. Or did he ever?<br /><br />I learned ASHER. I knew Levi. Also - Benjamin, Dan, Gad (Gilead), Issachar, Naphtali, Joseph, Judah, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulon. Where does Cohen, to whom so many trace their genes, fit in?<br /><br />Take a look at Marbled Polecat to see that ain't no cat. But what a cutey. <br /><br />I own a copy of the original Swept Away by Lina Wertmuller with Giancarlo Giannini. I lent it to a friend, and she won't give it back. It really is a turn on. The remake stunk.<br /><br />The original Time Machine is also a fave of mine. I disagree that the Morlocks and ELOI were enemies. The ELOI didn't know the Morlocks were even there feeding them and running the show. (Like some people who don't know that Medicare doesn't fall like the gentle rains from heaven). The Morlocks considered the ELOI food.<br /><br />I ask you, are there any remakes that are better than the originals? Try something new.Sfingihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06903616949048940858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-71880710433943891712010-09-30T08:32:49.362-07:002010-09-30T08:32:49.362-07:00i don't know how much it adds to the theme, bu...i don't know how much it adds to the theme, but each of the theme clues is a two-word alliterative phrase beginning with bird. i thought it was a cute touch.<br /><br />sethg is indeed great. i loved him in buffy season 3. not so much in austin powers.<br /><br /><i>the giving tree</i> is okay except that people somehow think it's a children's book. egad, don't go there. neither character is anything like a role model.<br /><br />i had the same problem with the TERENCE clue. i also had another problem with it, which is that even after solving it, i don't know what it means. is there a former st louis cardinal named TERENCE cooke? an arizona cardinal? a louisville cardinal? a member of the college of cardinals? a counting number? the most important cooke? who is this guy, and why isn't he the roman comic playwright?<br /><br />okay, i looked him up. apparently he was the archbishop of new york from 1968-83. i guess that's a big deal, but somehow i've never heard of him. maybe because it was so long ago. o'connor and egan are a lot more famous. i can't remember the name of the new guy. anyway, {Former Archbishop of New York Cooke} would have been a happier clue. i still wouldn't have known it, but then at least i would have learned something after filling in the crosses. and also it would have avoided the CARDINAL dupe.Joonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07825085755390339668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-25520248176492134092010-09-30T08:19:53.128-07:002010-09-30T08:19:53.128-07:00"Triumph of the Will" was directed by Le..."Triumph of the Will" was directed by Lenii Riefenstahl, not Lina Wertmuller.BruceWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-42471378535656563912010-09-30T08:18:17.163-07:002010-09-30T08:18:17.163-07:00Notice that CALAIS and LILLE are almost next to on...Notice that CALAIS and LILLE are almost next to one another, as they are geographically.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08093550053954809779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8626052240584383873.post-37512811410357936322010-09-30T08:15:57.919-07:002010-09-30T08:15:57.919-07:00Only one look-up today: LINA
Mini-theme? HEINIE a...Only one look-up today: LINA<br /><br />Mini-theme? HEINIE and kiteTAILS<br /><br />Mind-wandered-too-far-so-I-broke-no-speed-records, at 10D, HEINIE. The H from BACH led me first to trying to remember the rhyme from "I Wish I was a Little Bar of Soap". And when I finally recalled "... a-slip-py and a-slid-ey, down everybody's hide-y", it didn't even fit! ACH!badrognoreply@blogger.com